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Alana Joli Abbott ([personal profile] alanajoli) wrote2009-02-27 09:13 pm

Guest Blog: Francesca Forrest

I've had the pleasure of corresponding with Francesca Forrest ([livejournal.com profile] asakiyume) since we met in the comments of the [livejournal.com profile] athanarel community and on [livejournal.com profile] sartorias's live journal. When Francesca was announced as one of the other writers to be featured in the Coyote Wild young adult issue, I was incredibly excited to meet her all over again--this time through her fiction. Her work has been also featured on Three Crows and in the recently published Lace and Blade 2 from Norilana Books.

By following her live journal, it's clear to me that Francesca sees the world in beautiful ways, and she's able to capture that world view in her photography and her prose. About a month ago in the comments on my journal, we got into a conversation about the nature of how people see the world, culturally, impacting more than just their myths. Apparitions and mythical creatures are certainly culturally specific, but other ideas--like concepts in medicine--are also bound to the worlds they come from. Francesca's guest blog contribution riffs on that theme and applies it in a broad spectrum. I'm delighted to host her words here. Thanks, Francesca!

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As a child, I was a religious syncretist. I tried to reconcile each new religion I learned about to the others, so as to be in a state of grace for all possible faiths and deities. It wasn’t long before I realized that this was a hopeless task. The effort and the failure left me with a profound curiosity about the fact of multiple, mutually exclusive truths, however. I see the pattern in lots of places—in politics, in medicine, in philosophy.

I was mentioning to [livejournal.com profile] alanajoli a book called Medicine and Culture, by Lynn Payer, that examines these different truths in medicine. Depending on whether you’re in England, Germany, or France, how your ailments are diagnosed will vary. Theoretically, medicine is a fairly objective science, and yet the liver ailment that you receive medication for in France may not even be acknowledged when you cross the border into Germany, but the Germans may uncover a heart ailment. What’s true, medically, in one place just isn’t, elsewhere.

It’s not surprising that usually, you find people adhering to the truths that they know. If you know the ailment is in the liver, because you’re in France, then that’s what you treat. In the spiritual realm, Portuguese or Croatian children may see apparitions of Mary, but Kazakh and Kirghiz kids probably won’t.

This doesn’t always hold, though. In mid-nineteenth-century China, Hong Xiuquan, a would-be civil servant who studied the requisite Confucian classics diligently but who still didn’t manage to pass the civil-service exams, had a vision in which Jesus Christ came to him and told Hong that Hong was Jesus’s younger brother. Hong then founded the heterodox Taiping sect of Christianity and led a huge rebellion against the Qing dynasty.

Or, how about a more peaceful, small-scale example that I recall hearing about on the radio back in the very early 1990s: A pair of English (or possibly American or Australian; I can’t recall) explorers were traveling into the interior of Borneo in the 1980s, visiting groups of people who had very little contact with the outside world. They stayed in one such village, where the foundational spiritual belief was in a great tree of life, on which everything had a place, in relationship to everything else. During the course of people’s lives, they might dream about this tree, and when they did, they would get a tattoo to mark their spiritual progress.

Well, while the two explorers were staying there, one of them had just such a dream. He talked about it most feelingly, talking about perceiving all these different animals and birds, all on the tree, all in relation to him and to each other.

So, sometimes we do cross out of our own truths and into other people’s. I find that very comforting, somehow.

[identity profile] alanajoli.livejournal.com 2009-03-02 02:21 am (UTC)(link)
I agreed with your thoughts about Jung above--the collective unconscious certainly has something going on here (though I'm initially inclined more toward Owen Barfield). :)

[identity profile] asakiyume.livejournal.com 2009-03-02 03:09 am (UTC)(link)
By weird coincidence, another person on my friends list, [livejournal.com profile] cinda_cite, also mentioned Owen Barfield the other day.

Owen Barfield is rising up from the collective unconscious :-)

[identity profile] alanajoli.livejournal.com 2009-03-02 03:17 am (UTC)(link)
I had two conversations about Barfield today, too, but I was congregating with mythologists who were trained like I was (one of whom was my myth prof), so that's really no surprise. Saving the Appearances really is fabulous.

I need to get back to reading [livejournal.com profile] cinca_cite--I think I was friends with her old journal.

[identity profile] pdlloyd.livejournal.com 2009-03-02 03:13 am (UTC)(link)
I just skimmed Owen Barfield's Wikipedia article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Owen_Barfield). *sigh* So many interesting almost-research threads to follow, so little time. It never occurred to me, though it makes perfect sense, that there might be a connection between the Inklings and Rudolf Steiner (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolf_Steiner). My oldest attended a Waldorf school for a year or two, before we moved away. I loved the sense of calm and love that pervaded the classrooms there and my son was probably happier there than at any other school before or after.

To get back on topic, I need to read more of both Jung and Barfield before I can make any coherent reply. *g*

[identity profile] alanajoli.livejournal.com 2009-03-02 03:19 am (UTC)(link)
Hurrah, another Barfieldian in the making! :) I've not read as much Steiner as I'd like, but we discussed how Barfield drew on both Steiner and Goethe in my myth courses. I really need to finish How to Know Higher Worlds one of these days.

[identity profile] pdlloyd.livejournal.com 2009-03-02 04:57 am (UTC)(link)
Where did you go to school? I would have loved to take classes on myth.

[identity profile] alanajoli.livejournal.com 2009-03-02 06:52 pm (UTC)(link)
Bard College at Simon's Rock. (http://www.simons-rock.edu) Tiny tiny school in the Berkshires. It was a fabulous educational experience. :)

[identity profile] pdlloyd.livejournal.com 2009-03-02 07:09 pm (UTC)(link)
It looks pretty cool. I was impressed the multidisciplinary approach I sensed from the website.

[identity profile] alanajoli.livejournal.com 2009-03-03 02:25 am (UTC)(link)
When I was there, they were very concerned with having faculty who were primarily excellent teachers, and secondarily published academics--something I always appreciated. I'm not sure if that's still the philosophy, but it's something I still believe in. :)

[identity profile] pdlloyd.livejournal.com 2009-03-03 02:46 am (UTC)(link)
It does rather seem the most appropriate approach to an institution of higher learning, doesn't it?